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		<title>Comment on Just a thought by Jason</title>
		<link>http://3generations.eu/blog/archives/5841/comment-page-1#comment-7516</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 09:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more, well said.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Traveller&#8217;s Rest- Orphaned Fathers and Mothers. by Paul Leader</title>
		<link>http://3generations.eu/blog/archives/5832/comment-page-1#comment-7515</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Leader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dyfed. And as a by the way, nobody ever said you could not be both. Jesus was certainly both, and as we are called to be Christlike I&#039;m sure the DNA of both is within us all. Bless you good, Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dyfed. And as a by the way, nobody ever said you could not be both. Jesus was certainly both, and as we are called to be Christlike I&#8217;m sure the DNA of both is within us all. Bless you good, Paul.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Changing times by cheryl</title>
		<link>http://3generations.eu/blog/archives/5843/comment-page-1#comment-7514</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a more light hearted response to your blog here is an animated cartoon by Mark Fiore. I think he anticipated your comments. In case folks don&#039;t get all the references - this is about the contraception upset in the US over the past couple of weeks. The prophet in the top stained glass window is presidential candidate, Santorum, a man who questions the morality of birth control.  Enjoy. c. 

http://motherjones.com/media/2012/02/mark-fiore-cartoon-catholic-bishops-contraception-advice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a more light hearted response to your blog here is an animated cartoon by Mark Fiore. I think he anticipated your comments. In case folks don&#8217;t get all the references &#8211; this is about the contraception upset in the US over the past couple of weeks. The prophet in the top stained glass window is presidential candidate, Santorum, a man who questions the morality of birth control.  Enjoy. c. </p>
<p><a href="http://motherjones.com/media/2012/02/mark-fiore-cartoon-catholic-bishops-contraception-advice" rel="nofollow">http://motherjones.com/media/2012/02/mark-fiore-cartoon-catholic-bishops-contraception-advice</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Changing times by cheryl</title>
		<link>http://3generations.eu/blog/archives/5843/comment-page-1#comment-7513</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>despite my odd moments when I want to crawl into bed and pull up the covers, I have always considered that dancing on the edge is much more exciting, much more rewarding and just a whole lot more fun than sitting in the centre. Sometimes it may feel like more excitement than I thought I needed but defending the centre is really much too dull for me. c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>despite my odd moments when I want to crawl into bed and pull up the covers, I have always considered that dancing on the edge is much more exciting, much more rewarding and just a whole lot more fun than sitting in the centre. Sometimes it may feel like more excitement than I thought I needed but defending the centre is really much too dull for me. c.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just a thought by Nigel D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few thoughts:

In these post-modern times it is tempting to deny any the room to protect “their own version” of orthodoxy.  Surely it is obvious that none of us have a complete enough understanding to know what is absolutely true and basic for our faith and so presume to exclude another with a different view?

However, if we believe that our Christian story is distinct enough to have core elements to it that we need to be faithful to, then it must by definition be possible to be unfaithful to that story and go off-piste in ways that need correcting.

Paul the apostle makes John Piper look like a post-modern wimp when he says to the Galatians  that “even if an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned”.



I believe in the wisdom of crowds, 

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds) 

and in our case the smart crowd is the church.  I am hopeful enough to believe that the Holy Spirit working through the “body” will cause harmful errors to be shown to be dead-ends and for helpful shifts in Christian world-view to flourish.

I may hope that pre-millennial eschatology is a dead-end that will not survive the next hundred years and that the Rob Bell (Moltmann really) view of an all-forgiving God will flourish.

But I don’t know for sure.

Overall I say God bless John Piper and God bless Rob Bell and God help us decide which way we want to go.


Blessings all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few thoughts:</p>
<p>In these post-modern times it is tempting to deny any the room to protect “their own version” of orthodoxy.  Surely it is obvious that none of us have a complete enough understanding to know what is absolutely true and basic for our faith and so presume to exclude another with a different view?</p>
<p>However, if we believe that our Christian story is distinct enough to have core elements to it that we need to be faithful to, then it must by definition be possible to be unfaithful to that story and go off-piste in ways that need correcting.</p>
<p>Paul the apostle makes John Piper look like a post-modern wimp when he says to the Galatians  that “even if an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned”.</p>
<p>I believe in the wisdom of crowds, </p>
<p>(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds</a>) </p>
<p>and in our case the smart crowd is the church.  I am hopeful enough to believe that the Holy Spirit working through the “body” will cause harmful errors to be shown to be dead-ends and for helpful shifts in Christian world-view to flourish.</p>
<p>I may hope that pre-millennial eschatology is a dead-end that will not survive the next hundred years and that the Rob Bell (Moltmann really) view of an all-forgiving God will flourish.</p>
<p>But I don’t know for sure.</p>
<p>Overall I say God bless John Piper and God bless Rob Bell and God help us decide which way we want to go.</p>
<p>Blessings all</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just a thought by cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, sometimes, I feel like we spend all our time fussed about the wrong things. I think of it as painting our toenails while drowning and we spend our time arguing about the colour of the polish rather than responding to the fact that we are drowning. I have come to a point in my life where the idea of trying to figure out exactly what happens to my body when I die, other than decomposition, doesn&#039;t really have much meaning to me, for example. Likewise, to try to define the parameters of orthodox thinking in religion seems like a waste of time. More so, when I reflect on how religion has led us as a human species down some very bad, but orthodox, roads in the past and continues to do so today. And even further, when religion, overall, appears to fail completely in addressing the real and urgent issues of our time. 

Yesterday, in Ohio, Rick Santorum, the evangelical catholic presidential candidate asserted that Obama was operating under a different, unbiblical theology and that therefore disqualifies him from being president. Beyond the sheer idiodicy of this argument and the obivious deceits in it lies something even more frightening. Committed evangelical Santorum is comfortable with defining leadership of a diverse, multi-religious country in terms not only of adherence to a particular religion - Christianity, but also in terms of orthodoxy, an orthodoxy defined by Santorum himself.  This should immediately disqualify Santorum from any consideration for the position of president though it wont. 

I look all around at the magnitude of issues that face us, urgent things that must be addressed in order to prevent terrible consequences to the poor, the marginalized, and future generations and simply cannot imagine arguing about the theologies of hell (Roy Bell&#039;s attackers) and  afterlife amongst other things. For me those discussions can only occur if folks are not connected to the world around them and believe they have the luxury of avoiding reality. I certainly cannot look my students in the eye and avoid reality. I think those who follow Jesus need to develop a new and authentic intellectual life as the old one has been a disaster and is mostly irrelevent at this point. And I am glad for blogs like this one and Roger Mitchell&#039;s as I think, together we are working, somewhat haphazardly at times, towards that intellectual discussion that can give us some support as we address real life issues in this time.  As for those folks who have time and energy to pursue those thinkers they consider less than orthodox, I can only shake my head at such a waste of time. c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, sometimes, I feel like we spend all our time fussed about the wrong things. I think of it as painting our toenails while drowning and we spend our time arguing about the colour of the polish rather than responding to the fact that we are drowning. I have come to a point in my life where the idea of trying to figure out exactly what happens to my body when I die, other than decomposition, doesn&#8217;t really have much meaning to me, for example. Likewise, to try to define the parameters of orthodox thinking in religion seems like a waste of time. More so, when I reflect on how religion has led us as a human species down some very bad, but orthodox, roads in the past and continues to do so today. And even further, when religion, overall, appears to fail completely in addressing the real and urgent issues of our time. </p>
<p>Yesterday, in Ohio, Rick Santorum, the evangelical catholic presidential candidate asserted that Obama was operating under a different, unbiblical theology and that therefore disqualifies him from being president. Beyond the sheer idiodicy of this argument and the obivious deceits in it lies something even more frightening. Committed evangelical Santorum is comfortable with defining leadership of a diverse, multi-religious country in terms not only of adherence to a particular religion &#8211; Christianity, but also in terms of orthodoxy, an orthodoxy defined by Santorum himself.  This should immediately disqualify Santorum from any consideration for the position of president though it wont. </p>
<p>I look all around at the magnitude of issues that face us, urgent things that must be addressed in order to prevent terrible consequences to the poor, the marginalized, and future generations and simply cannot imagine arguing about the theologies of hell (Roy Bell&#8217;s attackers) and  afterlife amongst other things. For me those discussions can only occur if folks are not connected to the world around them and believe they have the luxury of avoiding reality. I certainly cannot look my students in the eye and avoid reality. I think those who follow Jesus need to develop a new and authentic intellectual life as the old one has been a disaster and is mostly irrelevent at this point. And I am glad for blogs like this one and Roger Mitchell&#8217;s as I think, together we are working, somewhat haphazardly at times, towards that intellectual discussion that can give us some support as we address real life issues in this time.  As for those folks who have time and energy to pursue those thinkers they consider less than orthodox, I can only shake my head at such a waste of time. c.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Just a thought by steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin although I understand why you say it but it is still a shame we have to spare a thought for Rob Bell because he wrote a book that is contraversial to some. To me it makes total sense and is one of the reasons I don&#039;t &quot;go to church&quot;. This whole notion that all may be saved is unfair to so many christians makes me wonder firstly what sort of God they believe in and secondly isn&#039;t the whole point of the christian faith and Jesus coming to be amongst us is to prove that God is wholly much &quot;fairer&quot; than our own human justice. Another word used much but not truly believed is grace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin although I understand why you say it but it is still a shame we have to spare a thought for Rob Bell because he wrote a book that is contraversial to some. To me it makes total sense and is one of the reasons I don&#8217;t &#8220;go to church&#8221;. This whole notion that all may be saved is unfair to so many christians makes me wonder firstly what sort of God they believe in and secondly isn&#8217;t the whole point of the christian faith and Jesus coming to be amongst us is to prove that God is wholly much &#8220;fairer&#8221; than our own human justice. Another word used much but not truly believed is grace</p>
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		<title>Comment on I believe history affects geography by joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as another with a thesis on a different subject I can relate Cheryl. The history of Latvia has affected its geography by leading to a mosaic of forests and open fields, perfect for wild boar as long as someone kindly feeds them through the winter, added to that, who owns what due to their own personal history and you have the conditions for a perfect storm. Different social histories have also resulted in different reactions to issues and in writing that I have one of those &quot;of course&quot; moments. A village with a hospital for those with drink and drug addictions is situated in one place where there is far less strife between hunters and farmers - a connection! I think so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as another with a thesis on a different subject I can relate Cheryl. The history of Latvia has affected its geography by leading to a mosaic of forests and open fields, perfect for wild boar as long as someone kindly feeds them through the winter, added to that, who owns what due to their own personal history and you have the conditions for a perfect storm. Different social histories have also resulted in different reactions to issues and in writing that I have one of those &#8220;of course&#8221; moments. A village with a hospital for those with drink and drug addictions is situated in one place where there is far less strife between hunters and farmers &#8211; a connection! I think so!</p>
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		<title>Comment on I believe history affects geography by cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My off-the-cuff response is that I believe that geography affects history. In fact my whole dissertation is based on that. The geography (and ecological context) of the area I studied affected how it developed historically. I&#039;m not sure where that belief leads or leaves me except with a dissertation that desperately needs to get edited this week! c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My off-the-cuff response is that I believe that geography affects history. In fact my whole dissertation is based on that. The geography (and ecological context) of the area I studied affected how it developed historically. I&#8217;m not sure where that belief leads or leaves me except with a dissertation that desperately needs to get edited this week! c.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Traveller&#8217;s Rest- Orphaned Fathers and Mothers. by Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So good Paul!  This is my heart...for more fathers, not the father who can flash his ID.  Heaven commissioned fathers...may &#039;we&#039;  identify them, embrace them and cover their authority through accountability.   The love of Fathers can cover the &#039;exposed areas&#039; as we move to protect and rebuild the walls and gates, both personal and corporate.  NEH 4:13

Father let them love and not tolerate.  Give them courage and a mandate to reveal you, the true Father, as they step aside, ever so slightly, when the time calls for it.

(Nehemiah 4:6-15)  
6 So we rebuilt the wall till all of it reached half its height, for the people worked with all their heart.
 7 But when Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the people of Ashdod heard that the repairs to Jerusalem’s walls had gone ahead and that the gaps were being closed, they were very angry. 8 They all plotted together to come and fight against Jerusalem and stir up trouble against it. 9 But we prayed to our God and posted a guard day and night to meet this threat.
 10 Meanwhile, the people in Judah said, “The strength of the laborers is giving out, and there is so much rubble that we cannot rebuild the wall.”
 11 Also our enemies said, “Before they know it or see us, we will be right there among them and will kill them and put an end to the work.”
 12 Then the Jews who lived near them came and told us ten times over, “Wherever you turn, they will attack us.”
 13 Therefore I stationed some of the people behind the lowest points of the wall at the exposed places, posting them by families, with their swords, spears and bows. 14 After I looked things over, I stood up and said to the nobles, the officials and the rest of the people, “Don’t be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your families, your sons and your daughters, your wives and your homes.”
 15 When our enemies heard that we were aware of their plot and that God had frustrated it, we all returned to the wall, each to our own work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So good Paul!  This is my heart&#8230;for more fathers, not the father who can flash his ID.  Heaven commissioned fathers&#8230;may &#8216;we&#8217;  identify them, embrace them and cover their authority through accountability.   The love of Fathers can cover the &#8216;exposed areas&#8217; as we move to protect and rebuild the walls and gates, both personal and corporate.  NEH 4:13</p>
<p>Father let them love and not tolerate.  Give them courage and a mandate to reveal you, the true Father, as they step aside, ever so slightly, when the time calls for it.</p>
<p>(Nehemiah 4:6-15)<br />
6 So we rebuilt the wall till all of it reached half its height, for the people worked with all their heart.<br />
 7 But when Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the people of Ashdod heard that the repairs to Jerusalem’s walls had gone ahead and that the gaps were being closed, they were very angry. 8 They all plotted together to come and fight against Jerusalem and stir up trouble against it. 9 But we prayed to our God and posted a guard day and night to meet this threat.<br />
 10 Meanwhile, the people in Judah said, “The strength of the laborers is giving out, and there is so much rubble that we cannot rebuild the wall.”<br />
 11 Also our enemies said, “Before they know it or see us, we will be right there among them and will kill them and put an end to the work.”<br />
 12 Then the Jews who lived near them came and told us ten times over, “Wherever you turn, they will attack us.”<br />
 13 Therefore I stationed some of the people behind the lowest points of the wall at the exposed places, posting them by families, with their swords, spears and bows. 14 After I looked things over, I stood up and said to the nobles, the officials and the rest of the people, “Don’t be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome, and fight for your families, your sons and your daughters, your wives and your homes.”<br />
 15 When our enemies heard that we were aware of their plot and that God had frustrated it, we all returned to the wall, each to our own work.</p>
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